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Antennas / Re: Double Bazooka antenna plans
« Last post by W5LZ on July 16, 2013, 05:19:54 AM »
In one of the early ARRL 'Antenna Compendium' series a very extensive series of tests were done on the bazooka antenna.    It wasn't 'on the air' type testing, but measurements done as on an antenna test range.  There were quite a few variations in the antennas tested covering feeding methods and I honestly don't remember what else.  My copy of that 'Compendium' (#2 I think?) has disappeared over the years so I can't cite it, rats.  The article was done by a well known author, can't remember his name though.  It would make for interesting reading...
 - Paul
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Antennas / Re: Double Bazooka antenna plans
« Last post by K3DAV on July 15, 2013, 08:04:31 PM »
Ahhhh That explains a lot.  Have you ever read reviews for anything on Eham.net?  There are usually a majority who loves or hates the product.  But nine times out of ten, those who are in the minority who hates something, usually did not construct or install the product properly.  This is more so with antenna reviews.  When a vast majority love the antenna, and a few hate it, it's usually because the haters built it or installed it wrong.  And you know they would never come back and say, "Ooops I made a big mistake and now I love the antenna."

Well Clark, I eagerly await your test results, so get out in that Arizona hell heat and get to work.  LOL
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Software Defined radio (SDR) Forum / Re: RealTech - The Cheap SDR
« Last post by KE7TRP on July 15, 2013, 11:31:04 AM »
I got my Nooelec R820T today.  The install instructions are garbage.  After about a half hour, I got the driver to install and the SDRsharp program working.  FM radio works great.  I have not heard much else so far.  I guess I will try listening to 2meter Ham next.  Are there any other frequencies or ranges I might want to try out?

BTW..  Nooelec has horrible customer service.  It took 14 days to get my package after I paid for the 2 day shipping.  When questioned, the woman raised her voice at me and started on the defense.
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Antennas / Re: Double Bazooka antenna plans
« Last post by KE7TRP on July 15, 2013, 08:34:33 AM »
The bad press on the bazooka comes from a foreign ham who ran tests on dipole vs his homemade bazooka.  His tests show a major loss in performance and in short, Slammed the antenna.  Ham read this and just parrot what he wrote.  I try to run my own tests here and will as soon as I get my antenna up in the air. I plan a back to back test with two antennas up at the same time. 

Recently two stations I know switched from wire to the bazooka and both have stronger signals here and they don't have to use the tuner anymore.  If this antenna does not work as well as my wire, I will report it and I will find the drawback. 

C
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Software Defined radio (SDR) Forum / Re: RealTech - The Cheap SDR
« Last post by k3who on July 14, 2013, 08:52:07 PM »
I'll have to check that out. It would be nice to view 10mhz of HF spectrum at a time.... especially when I'm looking for milcom stuff. I may just spend a bit more for a Softrock receiver. I really want a Perseus but that's a lot more than I can spend right now.
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ESSB / Re: Teach me!
« Last post by K3DAV on July 14, 2013, 07:49:02 PM »
The ESSB is awesome.  I have 3 SSB TX bandwidth settings, and I have alter the high setting to get 3.7KHz wide.  That's as wide as it would go.  It's not exactly ESSB, but I am told it has a nice effect by adding a little more bass and treble to my audio.

I have a nice wide range center channel surround speaker designed for home theater systems.  The center channel speaker is designed specifically for dialog and voice.  But they are the perfect radio speaker, and they show off the extra bass and treble tones of radio audio very well.  I have heard many of the ESSB hams and they sound almost as good as commercial AM broadcasters.

In addition to using wider TX filters, they use studio broadcast mics like my Heil PR-30 (See my avatar), and they connect tham via the ACC socket on the back of the radio.  Using the ACC socket connection bypasses the audio filters in the mic amp and allows a wider frequency response of your audio.  The audio is a bit cleaner and less compressed sounding.

The wide AM guys are also amazing.  Many use up to 10 or 15KHz wide audio and sound as good or better than any high quality AM commercial broadcaster.  Almost a wide FM quality.  I used to listen to 5 guys who did this on the 75 meter AM window.  I used to drool and wish I sounded half that good on AM. 

The only problem with ESSB is that the wider useage of the frequency spectrum would bleed much farther than the typical 2.4 to 2.9KHz SSB emissions in each direction from center channel.  You could tune 3 or 4 kc up or down and still barely hear them squeaking.  But the audio quality is nothing short of awesome.
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Antennas / Re: Double Bazooka antenna plans
« Last post by K3DAV on July 14, 2013, 06:32:54 PM »
I agree with most of what you say Paul.  The Bazooka is subject to the same conditions as a dipole for height above ground and the surroundings.

But one of the main points I was making is how guys build these antennas and do not pay close attention to the measurements.  If one side of the main element or the tails are off even 1 or 2 inches from the opposite side, the antenna will not operate with the best efficiency it should give.  That is a mistake I learned the hard way the first few times I built one.

But I have to say that the Bazookas I have built did a better job than their late dipoles they replaced.  Now there has to be something to that.  For example, I helped a friend build a basic dipole for 40 meters several years ago.  He runs only the 100 watts from the radio.  We were extra careful of the measurements, and used my MFJ-269 analyzer to tune it before it went into operation.  It worked very well for my friend always with great reports.

Then I built him a 40 meter Bazooka.  Tuned it again with my MFJ analyzer, then put it to the test on the air.  The Bazooka was strung in the exact same space the dipole used to occupy, so height above ground and the surroundings were the same.  The first thing we noticed was the background static was lower which made us think the antenna was not quite as good.  But the locals noticed his signal was higher, and the receive signals were higher also.  And then the DX test.  My friend here in PA talks on a 40 meter net every afternoon.  The net controller is up in CT which is about 250 miles east with 100 watts in the daytime on 40 meters. The net controller noticed the increase in signal instantly, and the same over the next few weeks.  The same improvement was noticed by most of the operators on the net also.

For what it's worth, the analyzer said the impedance was 43 ohms at the lowest band edge and 59 ohms at the highest band edge, but it was 51 ohms in the center where we tuned it to a 1.15 SWR.  I have never found a basic dipole that could do that well.  Many can get a good 49 to 51 ohms at the band center, but drop to 30 or lower at the low band edge and to 75 at the high band edge.  The tuner was never needed on any frequency within 40 meters.

The lower noise level is probably due to the DC grounding effect by the continuous loop type connection of the center wire.  This usually helps reduce typical QRM and QRN on any DC ground antenna.  The SWR was lower on each band edge which at least helps the radio run a bit more efficiently.  But the fact is, the design of the Bazooka does create a slightly larger signal pattern than the average 1/2 wave dipole.  This actually produces a tiny amount of gain.  It's not much, but even a 0.2 dB gain is more than 0 dB gain.  It may not be a big bad increase in the ERP, but it does make the signal pattern larger which directs a bit more of the signal towards the horizon.  Again nothing to write home about, but it is noticeable.  Any increase no matter how big or small is still an increase over what it was.  This only proves that not all 1/2 wave antennas radiate the same exact way.  If you notice the actual length of the Bazooka actually measures less than a 1/2 wave.  But the design gives it a larger radiated pattern than a 1/2 wave dipole.

All I can say is that I must have made more than 50 Bazookas in my time, and those that replaced basic dipoles outperformed the dipole.  Some were made with RG-8X and some with RG-8U.  The RG-8X should be able to handle the same power it is rated to carry.  If that is the case, then RG-8X should handle full legal limit on any HF band.  The power rating drops big time for VHF and UHF so I would not use the 8X on those bands.

I am only reporting the results that I have gotten with the many Bazookas I have built.  But I know guys who have seen the same observations you have with their own built Bazookas.  I still believe from good experience that those who get less than expected results, have built the antenna with measurement errors and did not notice them or even think to check them.  As I said I found out the hard way how crucial those exact measurements are between both sides from the feedpoint.  But now I know better and I pay very close attention to the measurements of each side.  If the Bazooka is built correctly with the right measurements and materials, it will indeed outperform any basic dipole.
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General discussion (QSO) / Re: Raspberry Pi and Amateur Radio
« Last post by K5TLF on July 14, 2013, 02:13:19 PM »
It has a TON of possibilities. Its such a cool toy/tool.
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General discussion (QSO) / Re: Uh Oh Another New Guy
« Last post by K5TLF on July 14, 2013, 02:08:46 PM »
Welcome!
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Antennas / Re: Double Bazooka antenna plans
« Last post by W5LZ on July 14, 2013, 05:36:01 AM »
Here are some observations I've noticed about bazooka type antennas.
It's a 1/2 wave length antenna and will behave/radiate as any 1/2 wave length antenna will.  It will be
have the same radiation pattern and be affected by all the things any such antenna is affected by,
height above ground, whats around it etc.  The biggest difference is in how a bazooka antenna is fed.
It's fed through a tuned circuit, a lot like a 'beta' or 'delta' match.  That feeding method is why it has
such a 'wide' usable SWR range.
What type of coax cable used in the construction can make a huge difference in performance.  Coax with
a 'foam' type insulation will not handle the higher voltages present as well as a cable that uses a 'solid'
type of insulation.  So, RG-8X isn't a great type of cable to use for a bazooka antenna.  (A voltage increase
is always a product of impedance transformations.)  The old RG-8 type cable with solid inner insulation
tends to work better.
The old 'classic' bazooka with the open wire feed line type 'ends' uses those larger 'conductors' because of
end-effect, high voltage at the ends of a 1/2 wave antenna.  Makes for less arcing, corona discharge. 
Considering the intent of the original bazooka antenna, radar, which involves high power 'pulses', corona
discharge was a real problem.  With typical amateur use those large conductor 'ends' aren't really needed.
You can still use them, won't harm a thing if you do.
The type of coax used in it's construction will also determine the different lengths of various parts of a
bazooka antenna.  The overall length will stay pretty much a 1/2 wave length, but the lengths of those
center sections, the tuned circuits, will be affected by the velocity factor of the coax cable used.  Those
center section lengths (electrical 1/4 wave lengths) are affected by the velocity factor of the cable, making
them 'shorter' than the full length of 1/2 of that antenna.  That's why they are shorted toward the ends of
the antenna instead of just continuing to the ends, 'tunes' those center sections, right?
So why don't the 'numbers' work out exactly?  Because there are a lot of variations in coax cable, none of
it is ever exactly the same on the same spool, much less the same manufacturing 'batch'.  See how that
affects things?
Performance or efficiency is determined by what you are measuring with.  A bazooka antenna is not very
efficient away from it's design or center frequency.  A typical SWR meter is a terrible means of measuring
performance or efficiency.  At best, an SWR meter can only indicate how well impedance matching is done
which has very little to do with how well an antenna 'works', how it performs.  A dummy load is a very good
example of that, great SWR, lousy antenna.  If your main criteria is SWR then a bazooka antenna is a very
nice antenna to use.  If it serves your purpose well, then use one!  There still ain't no such thing as a free
lunch, but if the price isn't too steep, why not?
 - Paul
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